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Just a thought. As well as exploring the 'one small [...]


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Just a thought. As well as exploring the 'one small town' approach, could we consider 'one small project'? What I am suggesting is instead of bringing Ubuntu to a community, we bring those who are already sold on Ubuntu, wherever we may live, to focus our attention on one project to prove the viability of the concept?
stiffer
what project ideas have you in mind?
Sunday 15 January 2017, 10:35:07
[deleted user]
Fundamental question. I guess it would have to be energy. If for example we joint funded a solar or wind project, wherever it might be, could that then be the start of an energy company with the long term goal of free energy for all, & what would be the steps along the way?
Sunday 15 January 2017, 11:27:25
Jonathan Shackleton
Good one Simon and well worth exploring we did this and are still doing so in North Yorkshire. It also gives us a platform to build a solid foundation. Life is quite busy for me at the moment but i am freeing up some time so i can really push initiatives forward. One idea is to create our own market place, online and locally. So instead of using supermarkets & private corporations, we all bulk purchase. Obviously this needs to be discussed throughout the membership but it's workable. This would bring us in close contact with Farmers so we could then look at farmers markets. Looking forward to chatting soon.
Sunday 15 January 2017, 12:21:29
[deleted user]
We are thinking along similar lines Jonathan. I would like to start a multi stakeholder platform coop with workers on a flat living wage that would free us up to dedicate ourselves to this vision whilst not getting sucked in to the presumed purpose of business which is to extract personal profit to horde in order to fend off fear based upon scarcity, often manufactured. I'm thinking about something that redefines profit as surplus, invested in the 'commons', in other words that which we own together to satisfy our needs without succumbing to greed.
Sunday 15 January 2017, 12:31:34
Jonathan Shackleton
Hi Simon, i feel we need a labour exchange as that would take finance and greed away from what we currently have. Sought of a true credit system were a bricklayer does a job for the chef who provides the food for his family. A potter swaps his pots with a carpenter who has just built him a table and so on. Obviously this would take some doing but it's a workable platform. If we had a farm then we really could push forward as then we'd have a retreat to help people, a restaurant to provide meals and workshops. Obviously there would be a cost as w'd have to sustain it but we could also teach, grow and build becoming a true independent state.
Sunday 15 January 2017, 12:41:50
[deleted user]
LET's schemes, time banks, mutual credits systems generally that remove the need for money. They all exist, but with limited impact because of the need for money, mostly to pay debt. Nonetheless, all part of what is summed up in my all time favorite quote by Richard Buckminster Fuller “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
Sunday 15 January 2017, 12:48:39
[deleted user]
Some interesting conversations here https://loomio.org/g/0j1eUbJm/…
Sunday 15 January 2017, 12:50:19
Jonathan Shackleton
Take away the labour and they have nothing, take all the 'money' out of the bank and they'll soon flee, as they should. Funny enough i have a meeting next week on setting up credit unions to some degree or other. Next week is going to be very interesting indeed and i believe the UK Ubuntu will start making significant steps forward. Commons Transitions Simon? i'll take a look once i'm back in the home.
Sunday 15 January 2017, 13:03:54
[deleted user]
Please ask about a national credit union, or some kind of connected network. It is my understanding that a credit union must be geographically limited, meaning that some are good, & some not so much. Meanwhile, I've been working on the prospect of a national alternative currency that could feed into a national credit union.or as Mr T describes it, people's bank.
Sunday 15 January 2017, 15:07:46
Lee Welch
Simon, I wholeheartedly agree with your suggestion of a "one small project". To my mind, we must rally our local communities and initiate projects to develop the credibility of the Ubuntu philosophy.
Sunday 15 January 2017, 21:05:31
Thomas O
The "labor" will come when the benefits become apparent. I agree that starting from scratch will be a more effective approach.
Sunday 15 January 2017, 21:10:14
Lee Welch
I agree Thomas, people are more likely to become involved if they see trails evidence of what's in it for them. That's why the small projects will be so important.
Sunday 15 January 2017, 21:21:40
Thomas O
Im working on a "wellness center" built around hydroponic vegetable production. the wellness center is to deprogram with a 12 step approach, then a vipassana retreat, all while working to produce food to, initially, distribute to the surrounding community. no charge for the wellness center with various mind body spirit modalities. so a rehabilitation while demonstrating how to live without destroying the world around us, and an invite to remain in the community, which will then manufacture hydroponic growth modules that trap water from the air and have magnetic generators. so food water and power, at not cost after initial investment.
Monday 16 January 2017, 04:05:32
[deleted user]
Maybe we could design the perfect Ubuntu community hub, built on a small holding, to produce, harvest, & store food, that produces an energy surplus through renewables, that provides somewhere to congregate & share our voluntary labour & ideas. Obviously every one would want the first one in their community, but theirs is far more likely to happen if they can point at our flag ship example of what is possible. I suspect the first one in the spirit of Ubuntu may be on donated land,
Monday 16 January 2017, 08:44:08
Jonathan Shackleton
Thomas that's great we have one in North Yorkshire called Peace of Mind although the growing is limited due to the lack of land we currently have and the climate. Although we're doing something within a building using hydroponic techniques. Our focus is on healing the mind and body, spiritually and physically. We do need though a central hub so let's start manifesting something that we can all share. A small holding would be perfect and we could have various financial streams. Sadly we have to work partly in their system, at the moment, but we can build towards our main goal. It's about working together especially in the early days, building a community won't be that easy although it will be worth while. We've looked allover the Country including Cornwall, Yorkshire, Hampshire etc, even Hungary due to its economics and cheap land. The bonus is we are all looking to make a difference in the right manner
Monday 16 January 2017, 11:07:02
David T
Simon, I already have this on paper, but need others to make it happen. I'm in West Seattle, the most western part of Seattle, Washington, USA, with 25,000-plus population. I need the personnel, but these can be found hereonce the investroes are found.
Monday 16 January 2017, 19:47:54
Thomas O
that is awesome, Jonathan, I would like to hear how you structure the process. Manifesting something we can all share is an idea i can support. I would like to introduce the idea of a hydroponic growth "module" that can be produced in an Ubuntu manner, but sold commercially to fund the inception of communities. The module would have hydroponics running through the wall of the structure as well as within, power provided by a magnetic generator, water provided by a system which traps humidity from the air. Food, water and power, free after initial investment. All of these technologies currently exist.
Monday 16 January 2017, 21:51:03
[deleted user]
This place is not far from me http://www.malverncube.com/ It was owned by the local authority who wanted to close it down, but the local community took it on in the form of a trust. I wonder how many similar buildings/land might be acquired around the UK if we had a business model thrashed out between us?
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 08:23:06
Jonathan Shackleton
Just mailed you Thomas and yes the technology is available even via containers and the like. I've worked on a few projects in this area as i used to have a Farm, well i was actually brought up on one. Sadly i know longer have the Farm although long term this will happen again. As Ubuntu grows stronger, and it is, we will have great individuals who will all come together as creators. With all our ideas we can pull together a decent business plan that will create a solid foundation. Simon has also come up with something that is totally workable and indeed i'd support both projects as much as i could. Now lets manifest a farm and, at some point soon, arrange a meeting that's central for us all. I realise there is a distance so some serious planning needs to take place. We all have wonderful gifts that shared can only make us strong.
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 12:25:09
Michael E. V. Knight
Where it says RBE or Hybrid think Ubuntu

https://facebook.com/groups/…
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 19:56:18
Michael E. V. Knight
It would be great if Ubuntu supporters in each country could move to one small town in each/their country, and start living the Ubuntu Lifestyle. The hardest part is finding regular employment to pay bills while developing Ubuntu projects. The money system chains are tight.
Friday 27 January 2017, 14:53:48
Jonathan Shackleton
Chains are tight but we start with a small acorn and grow
Friday 27 January 2017, 15:10:28
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