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The Flat Earth Theory takes a giant leap forward as [...]


Preston, Lancashire
via The Full Circle Project
The Flat Earth Theory takes a giant leap forward as Micheal Tellinger explains why he has had to change his mind. I urge people to open up and just study it for a while. This is a very long presentation, very interesting and deals with stuff that makes more sense on a flat earth model. Flat earth is in the last quarter of the film. https://youtu.be/xranj1dXV2c
Didgevillage
Everything we have been told is a lie.
Including the flat earth lie.
It's a shame Tellinger shoots himself in the foot with this crap.
Saturday 14 January 2017, 20:46:11
[deleted user]
Tell me one truth
Saturday 14 January 2017, 21:25:31
Lorraine H
In my world...I sure damn don't live on a sipping ball. flat earth It is.... All the way
Saturday 14 January 2017, 23:38:49
Didgevillage
Distraction, distraction... No more, no less
Saturday 14 January 2017, 23:52:35
Love
Distraction, I agree. Whether or not the earth is a tetrahedron or a square, one's empowerment is of far greater value IMO.
Sunday 15 January 2017, 04:34:04
westwynd
FOOLS , wake up , you are being played ,can't you see it
Sunday 15 January 2017, 05:41:38
[deleted user]
Distraction from what? I just don't understand why Flat Earth causes such vitriol. Tellinger has had to abandon talking about it because truthers were abusing him. It is a fascinating subject to me once you get over yourself. Here is a quote from Einstien “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?”. I will leave you with this question ' do you believe in dragons?' if not why not, there is plenty of fossils indicating the existence of large predators with big teeth and long spiny tails with scales on their skin. Some people quip to me 'Oh you mean with little wings on their backs' well don't the science point to them evolving from birds'
I am not trying to be flippant and I know some of the Flat Earthers can be impossible but I can see why Tellinger is attracted to it as it makes sense of how he see the world in terms of electro - magnetism.
Sunday 15 January 2017, 10:34:41
Didgevillage
>Tellinger has had to abandon talking about it
Well, somebody must have talked sense into Tellinger. It's so idiotic.

I don't want to hear about Einstein, the biggest fraud and thief in the 20th century.

As for dragons, there were all kinds of creatures, not mentioned in your silly textbook, on this planet. In Egypt and Atlantis, there were bizarre creatures called chimeras, made through genetic manipulation which crazy scientists today are busy doing. But that's beside the point.

This planet is much older than you think.


Sunday 15 January 2017, 11:04:48
[deleted user]
Do you believe Chimeras actually existed? If you do then that's a start. All the old world considered the world to be flat period. If you look at other planets they look like round balls of matter they have that in common. Why would people assume the Earth is the same none of the planets support life period. These planets don't support life because they are just that lumps of matter with no gravity or atmosphere. There is evidence of ice which may have been there as a solid but unable to survive as a fluid.

You do have to let go of the flat earth as a plate floating in space.

Most of what Einstein proposed has been pretty much superseded in line with what he himself predicted.
Sunday 15 January 2017, 11:46:11
[deleted user]
I agree with you, Ilanrog, that flatearthers can be vicious and they may have arrived here from a planet with 2 dimensional viewpoints, I assume.

Tellinger has gone through quite some challenges these last years, with the findings of African stone enclosures without an entrance and who knows he may struggle with his position in them, pun intended.

Apart from an apparent cause, creating this idea of a flat Earth, to me planet Earth is round. I like to come back to the same spot during my walks on it and not fall off into oblivion at some point
Sunday 15 January 2017, 11:53:29
Didgevillage
Within our solar system Mars, Venus and our moon have atmosphere. The first two support life but that's beside the point. (My info is from Bill Cooper's work.)
There are gazillion (or astronomical! number of) stars and planets in this universe alone. Why would you think ONLY this earth is flat?
Sunday 15 January 2017, 11:53:39
[deleted user]
I don't just think the earth is flat I think we exist on a flat plane that is not the same as a flat plate floating in space. There could be infinite instances of worlds like us all separated by ice at absolute zero.This is where the water comes from.
Sunday 15 January 2017, 12:01:02
Walks
Earths curved shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse. Enough said.
Sunday 15 January 2017, 16:19:38
[deleted user]
If indeed it is the sun illuminating the moon.
Sunday 15 January 2017, 16:55:48
Love
Distraction from love, goodness, service, wakefulness. Remember the illumanti card game? Well, a flat earther card was included in that strange game. Weird? I don't know. To each their own, yeah? For me, it serves as a complete/total distraction from prayer/meditation/service/healing/god-vibes. When you die, do you think G-d will appreciate your time spent on the contemplation of the earths shape? What do I know, though... If it's exciting to you, I guess you should follow it!
Sunday 15 January 2017, 16:59:09
Didgevillage
How come the color changes to red? Partially/entirely during the eclipse?
Sunday 15 January 2017, 16:59:41
[deleted user]
I live a spiritual life I meditate I follow Shamanic teaching and Pegan ritual. I think me and my god have a good understanding and I can imagine him/her smiling at our conversation here today and that warms my heart.
Sunday 15 January 2017, 17:14:45
Didgevillage
The Illuminati always announce their crimes ahead of the time, and I wonder why. There must be a reason for it, be it through the Illuminati cards or the Simpsons cartoons.
The best resume you can show your God or whoever would be: We fought the New World Order and we won
Sunday 15 January 2017, 17:15:13
Love
Awesome, IIanrog I dig it. I aspire towards unity/love and the rememberence of our intrinsic oneness. From there, I can be of the most service possible
Sunday 15 January 2017, 17:16:49
[deleted user]
God just made us this way we have to find it for ourselves.
Sunday 15 January 2017, 17:20:38
[deleted user]
Love, your avatar reminds me of a spark of electricity flying off when I pushed my nose against my cat's nose.
We were both shocked, pun intended. Afterwards it was very funny of course. My cat needed more time to recover,
slightly offended in his dignity lol
Sunday 15 January 2017, 17:21:05
[deleted user]
Find God within ourselves, Ilanrog?
Sunday 15 January 2017, 17:22:25
[deleted user]
Absolutely the Christos has been with us since the dawn of time.
Sunday 15 January 2017, 17:25:31
Didgevillage
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, as you say. I give up
Sunday 15 January 2017, 17:30:54
Love
@Pastinakel, hehe! Yes. This happens between me and my cats all the time!
Sunday 15 January 2017, 17:55:53
Lorraine H
Yes llanrog flat earth plane it is, as for the other topics in this conversation I can not comment due to me not really looking into theses topics, I came up with my own conclusions by personal observations, using my eye senses...lol and plane O common sense. Yes viewing video on this topic has help, but I'm one who believes you can't believe every thing you may see nor hear, you go by personal experience and intuition. All is free to believe what they chose to believe. That's the end of my view point, with that said, May all enjoy the rest of their day.
Sunday 15 January 2017, 20:56:29
Sunday 15 January 2017, 21:07:11
Lorraine H
@llanrog hope you don't mind me asking, but what does bbx mean?
Monday 16 January 2017, 00:25:32
[deleted user]
what if those stones are not to harvest energy but project frequency of sound to the space and create reality some where else ore be a part of coo-creation, I mean if everything is just a sound frequency then who play the role of 'God' deejay playing music that we all dance for. I know for sure that world is older then my moms pussy, that is all I really know for sure and imaginary has no limits so you have to track what actually serves life , because people are crazy these days they live in their heads when reality is all around us. It drives me nuts... I found the place where people are forced to get in a present time for a few seconds and get awareness about surrounding environment it is when they jump in a ice cold water. I love to watch, people in sauna with ice cold water, they are cute sweet sleeping angels get for a few seconds disturbed in their dream. People who live in their heads neglecting their bodies, but ice cold water is difficult to avoid and ones body gets full attention of the mind becoming one with the body , people get awareness about observe able reality for everyone which is how we wake up? We became humans for the moment expressing our real feelings of cold and warm, finally no one lie and sincerely ouching and then happy relaxing with pure sincereness. Maybe clothes we wear work like costumes for playing a roles and we forget that we just people we all need same eat, poop, sleep and have each other and no one can consume more then one need. Who came up with idea of ownership? With out money we would do what serves our life ore die. and with money we don't die but get sick and miserable. That risk we facing to take in order to start play a game : how to make life more wonderful instead of competing for possessions. Safest way would be gradually one small think at the time change from competition to cooperation ore where ever it is possible. When last aspect of our life will be based on mutual understanding about feeding our needs. then will be no need to enforce anything , no need for authority archery , money, possessions we need to keep awareness about our needs and recourses for life in order to live and everything else is in order to be slaved.
Monday 16 January 2017, 02:13:09
Lorraine H
@ Sylvester I've learned a while ago how to be my own doctor and care for myself and my children, an ability All should have, nowadays you have to DIY, you can't count on no one but yourself in order to have a chance to survive. Mother earth is giving up on us, too much corruption, too much abuse, too many people worrying about the wrong thing, etc.To think, about 2 years , I wanted to have two more children. Now with what's happening around the world, I would never bless this corrupt world again, sad to say to very true.
Monday 16 January 2017, 03:32:21
westwynd
Lorraine , mother earth is not giving up on us . More and more people are waking up everyday thanks to people like us . You are right , too many people are worrying about the wrong things like whether the earth is flat or if it's a sphere and causing too much infighting among us . WE should all be focusing on taking back control of earth whether flat or round. . By saying you no longer want to have any more children and never bless the corrupt world again , you are admitting defeat and therefore they win . The way to take back control of the earth is to teach our young the knowledge we have and they will pass it on to there children .
We can never give up , the human race depend on people like us
So please don't be sad and put a smile on your face and give the elite parasites the one finger salute . They are not going to win .
Monday 16 January 2017, 04:10:04
Lorraine H
@westwynd Elite? Who is the elite? That word means nothing to me. By calling theses corrupt people elite, is giving them way to much credit. Meaning of elite- a select part of a group that is superior to the rest in terms of ability or qualities. By referring to anyone/group who may be corrupt as elite is just plane ridiculous. Thank for trying to cheers me up, but I'm ok with my decision. Yes I do try to teach my children how to become good honest man, in hopes that it will leach on to them. But as the saying goes, once awaken to reality, you can't go back to sleep. I don't see it as anyone winning, I see it as humanity falling as a whole. The corrupt people don't stay behind.
Monday 16 January 2017, 05:43:19
[deleted user]
Lorraine H, just to lighten up the conversation a bit, it may be helpful for you to read the background of the Resistence Movement on this site, so that you inform yourself about the workings that are done on the invisible plane. Not all is what it seems, please don't despair, for you will serve the prince of darkness that way.
Monday 16 January 2017, 09:21:16
Lorraine H
@pastinakel thanks for your advice, I don't despair, it's my responsibility as a mother to say it as it Is and not sugar colt anything, I owe my children that much. We as adults need to teach the youthyoung that they don't live in a Disney World, that's the only way they may be strong enough to handle reality, instead of it hitting them by surprise. Yes they may be good lifted in this corrupt world we live in. I don't live my life moping around about all the bad in the world. On the contrary I know how to make the best out of any situation. Yes I've been bless in many ways, and know what it is to feel thankful. To sum it up, what is irrelevant to me and or useless will remain irrelevant and useless. What is meaningful to me can only grow in strength. I appreciate all the positive advice anyone has shared. My positive advice for the day Is, Don't Worry, Be Happy. May All Enjoy Your Day.
Monday 16 January 2017, 16:09:37
[deleted user]
Thank you, Lorraine H, I think I know what you mean and clarify here better. The explanation of the title Elite is, that certain families, with an inferior bloodline, have pronounced their race as superior and choose to hold that title, a well deserved one in their own eyes. Not a title we love to give them, see? Another word for this group is Cabal or Illuminati and although they're thrown on one heap, there are differences between and amongst themselves. I suppose you know of this already.
Monday 16 January 2017, 16:29:24
[deleted user]
Wow what a fab discussion very interesting and encouraging. I did not post the Tellinger presentation to promote the Flat Earth community and I am sure neither did Tellinger. It just interests me the sort of response this stuff gets from a minority of people one could liken it to talking of the existence of God. So there you go God and the Flat Earth..............
Monday 16 January 2017, 19:14:02
Lorraine H
@pastinakel I know of who? Lol I know of what matters to me, who and what I chose to know about.
Monday 16 January 2017, 19:43:18
[deleted user]
God = Love one of those I can observe and another is a fiction ore figure of speech. So I consider myself as a fruit of love and promote peace, compassion, friendship... why you bland in 'Flat earth ' term? No one speaks about it, but you and I wonder why? at this point we need to get together in unity, because we all need eat, poop, sleep and have each other. Geometrical shape of the earth is irrelevant at this point. Getting rid of leadership and authority would give relieve to many of people on the bottom of the hierarchical pyramid of violence, lie, deceptions... , provoking conflict attempts are always pointing at imaginary right and wrong, when real question is: what it is that you personally need? why you talking about 'Flat Earth' ? are you trying to provoke discussion what is right? Yes no? why? I Ignore it and turn subject in to observe able reality So >>llanrog<< what it is that you need? what is your intention? I would like to assist you in your deed, but first I want to be sure that it serves life.
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 13:14:34
[deleted user]
sylvester thank you for your comment. You ask why I mention 'Flat Earth' well I posted a presentation by Micheal Tellinger in which he talks about the idea of a flat earth and how it makes sense of a lot of things. Like me Tellinger does not know for sure the earth is flat. What is interesting is the amount of abuse he has suffered as a result and I can relate to that. In this post I have been called an idiot and a fool and much more because I can entertain the concept of a flat earth. What most people don't understand is flat earth is a state of mind an attitude if you like it is saying to the power that be I don't like the world you have created and created is exactly how I see it's an illusion. We need to think creatively something which is lacking on this and many other sites I see. Very often people say what does it matter about the shape of the earth well if it was something totally different to what they have been taught surely people would then question other things like poverty and financial enslavement all constructs to mislead people. For me in the late fifties man flew to a low earth orbit and discovered something amazing and have spent the rest of time covering it up with fake space programs and trips to the moon. Do you honestly think we would be so easy to control if we knew their to be a higher being or that we are not alone.
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 19:03:17
[deleted user]
May I ask, Ilanrog, if the picture in your avatar is the picture of Gurdieff?
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 19:33:18
[deleted user]
No no no it is me.
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 19:39:37
[deleted user]
Oh oh oh, is it you? lol
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 19:41:26
[deleted user]
I have now removed the goatee beard and I think I will update it.
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 19:43:59
[deleted user]
In technicolor?
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 19:45:54
[deleted user]
I see things in different shades of black and white sounds corny I know.
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 19:48:25
[deleted user]
@llanrog You challenge my imagination by talking imaginary things. It is amusing play of your mind. I hope you aware about dangerous and harm to get lost in a maze of the mind. By neglecting present observe able reality we neglecting our bodies that get sick, fat... I guess you wish get out of control striving for freedom ? Well all you need to do is wake up from imaginary to observe able. No one can give you freedom You have to claim it for yourself. Do you have handcuffs and live in the cage? So Idea that you are not free is totally imaginary real. Honestly what ever I think is totally irrelevant, the truth is not in my head but all around us. Yes you are not alone I am here with you and many other people. Shared burden is lighter and joy greater. Illusion of the mind created concept of me and separation from rest of the soup of life. I am eyes of the universe that lock at here self. Ne is like apple of the apple tree just a detail, part of the whole. What I know for sure is my present intentions that leaning with attempt to fulfill my needs in order to live. If imaginary world, that exist only in peoples heads, bothers you too much, take a cold shower, smell your skin, listen to your own breath, what ever you feel caused by your human need is real. that imaginary stuff in your head is not. and I don't going to play those imaginary games. I use mathematic to calculate necessities for life and planing, because I realize how some imaginary tools serves life. Using science of how ideas move among people requirement is: it has to fit current understanding (in order to not get rejected) and it has to have practical value. So what you doing by labeling # flat earth, You make general population dismiss everything and it has no life serving function. # flat earth label is used to dismiss social movements and gatherings on Internet. few words of nonsense dismiss 2 hours video. So sir what your need that you trying to fulfill by posting broadly social known nonsense? You need attention ore rejection ore what do you need? How what ever is that you do is helping to anything? what it is good for?
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 19:56:53
[deleted user]
Oh, don't mind me too much, I was just kidding, need it after an overdose of seriousness
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 19:57:01
[deleted user]
sylvester, please don't mind me saying this, but you certainly show loud whirring windmills of a mind, to me, in the sharing of your words here.
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 19:59:44
[deleted user]
>>>llanrog I see things in different shades of black and white sounds corny I know<<< The truth is what we all can see, and you have awareness that your imagination is perceived as corny. So you are after peoples attention? Ore you trying to dismiss 2 hours of video as corny? Because # flat earth has nothing to do with video you posted so you want to dismiss that video from other people to see it? who would spend 2 hours for publicly accepted as nonsense # flat earth ?
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 20:05:57
[deleted user]
Please, sylvester, you're burning yourself in the fire of your own mind, calm down and stop these ridicilous assumptions, I'm saying it as it is.
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 20:11:30
Lorraine H
@llanrog in my eyes the only powers that be , is Main Creator also know as Source, God. I can't talk for the creator but he/she most likely wanted we the people to figure it out, that's why we were bless with senses.
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 20:13:00
[deleted user]
I am not the one talking about freedom and being locked in chains. How can you even know me. You know nothing of me. I have been an active member of this site for over two years and I can't even begin to tell you of the stuff I have seen. Attention is the last thing I need again you don't know me I have nothing to promote and I very rarely post anything. Please tell me where we are going to be without imagination and the dreamers.
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 20:13:56
[deleted user]
It is not ridicules (you may not like?) tell to the people that you believe that # earth is flat and then ask them to watch 2 hours video. Ore tell to people what they can accept, tell how it would serve their life and then ask to watch 2 hours video, do you see difference. Are you understand my intention to help out ideas move forward? Nothing is burning any where it is totally normal.
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 20:18:17
[deleted user]
LH yes totally agree and this is why we need to use our imaginary senses to create ideas and things that are not in front of us. “If you want your children to be intelligent, read them fairy tales. If you want them to be more intelligent, read them more fairy tales.”
― Albert Einstein
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 20:18:39
Lorraine H
@llanrog
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 20:19:57
[deleted user]
sylvester I warned people about the length of the presentation and its content. The premise of my description was that Tellinger thought many of his concepts fit better in a flat earth model. I also told people the flat earth part was at the end so they may skip to it, or totally disregard it. I will repeat again I am not telling you the world is flat that is for you to decide.I once sat looking at the postings and there was five anti Jewish and two pro Hitler postings all at once, again you decide.
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 20:27:17
[deleted user]
Children need satisfy their curiosity about world around them not fairy tells. Albert Einsteinian was considerate unsuitable to school because instead of paying attention to authority he was busy with his own wonder ... later on he discover wonderful things to humanity ... ore not, how I do know? how you do know? You don't. Just trying to be accepted your imagination do you ?
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 20:28:06
[deleted user]
I think even Einstein did not know if what he proposed was correct. he often had to admit he was wrong. He also once said don't read to much especially when you are older so as to leave plenty of time for your own thoughts. I totally agree with this, I am a reader but never considered it anything more than idle time. You could take this a stage further and relate it to watching video clips. LOL
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 20:39:11
[deleted user]
llang You do not know anything about other people and what they try and you are not entitled to talk for any one. You are expert about yourself about other people you can only ask them directly, if you really need to know. So I ask you what it is you trying to accomplish? You aware how you are perceived according your own words "corny". and I ask why you do it? would you like to be Michael Tellinger to be perceived as corny?
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 20:41:37
[deleted user]
Would you please do not change subject about Einstein and answer what I ask directly you, because about you it is you who know best, are you? I do not gossip about other people and their intentions I ask them directly and openly tell what bothers me. So I wonder if you understand me?
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 20:47:49
Lorraine H
At the end of the day, it is what it is. You can't deny your senses nor what makes logical sense. Feel free to believe we the people live on a spinning globe, I in the other hand will stick to what my senses perceive it to be. We the people do indeed live on a flat earth plane. With that said, may you all enjoy the rest of your day.
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 20:48:33
[deleted user]
sylvesterI mus have misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that I was a dreamer and this is of no consequence. The rest of you live in the real world dealing with real issues an my thoughts irrelevant.
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 21:23:05
[deleted user]
lol, this discussion is turning into a web of a spider working on it while under the spell of magic mushrooms. The more you try to explain the more intricate patterns of thought sylvester will show up with. Checkmate mates!
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 21:32:37
[deleted user]
Shall we all agree to have a think about our situation. Over 60 comments that is amazing.
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 21:37:20
[deleted user]
Ha ha ha ha ha ha, you make my day, Ilanrog, let's give sylvester time to catch his breath, chasing the windmills
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 21:40:48
[deleted user]
Speak soon friend
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 22:15:31
[deleted user]
Oops, I'm a bit full on I think, with sylvester. Hope you have duck feathers, sylvester.
It's only the jester in me that can't resist teasing your style, but I will stop if it means
that you will discontinue the discussion. Don't leave please?
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 22:29:22
[deleted user]
well I did not get answer to my simple questions and I wonder why? there is no sense to repeat they are written, but I can clarify if it is unclear. Take your time.
Tuesday 17 January 2017, 23:05:53
Nic G
How long Qantas flights from Sydney to Johannesburg-O. R. Tambo and from Sydney to Santiago de Chile would take in a flat earth model?
Wednesday 31 May 2017, 17:28:09
Didgevillage
This has already been pointed out. The shortest route to SA from Sydney is over Tibet and and Qantas ain't flying there. Max Igan himself flew to Chile en route to Peru and demonstrated Flat Earth is fake. It doesn't deserve out attention. Let the sleeping dog lie.
Wednesday 31 May 2017, 20:05:31
[deleted user]
@Nic G I was watching a lot of videos about 'Flat Earth', so seams to me, it is flat and we are lied about more, then we knew. I worry that one truth will be sold for another fiction, God. Yes God is a fiction of love ore as professional God lovers say: God is purest form of love. Maybe, but I still choose to stick to the love which is one in every humans heart, we all are fruits of love (not creation of God) and I discover this world by love of my parents by popping out from my mamas pussy. Love is driving force of life to me (not God) I rather destroy fiction (God) to find real thing that we all can sense, love.
It is more impotent to me restore truth sincerity and compassion among us , then confirm meme 'Earth is flat'. Because even in the small group of people with sincereness, lie can't find the place to sneak in. We all can be lied again, because of social acceptable conditions for that shallowness of talk and story tellers are not silenced with simple question: what it is that you need?
When language of life will be accepted publicly as a norm, when sincereness will be requirement to speak , only then we will discover the truth. People say: 'one spoon of tar spoil whole barrel of honey' the way deception works is barrel of the truth hiding spoon of lie, that makes us all enslaved. So how to keep the truth 100% all the time? Liars and agenda drivers they all have a story to tel and questions to ask. What is missing? sincerity about why. Look at the post of the Lorraine H She is my hero, example to follow, she is sincere about her own worries and life and it touches everyone of us, it wakes up empathy and compassion and unites us as a friends as a family and wakes up courage to do something, to contribute, to protect ... because she approach us as a friends in a language of life that we all can understand and relate to.

Nic G are you worry about agenda to be right? Having in mind that right and wrong are imaginary - you dear friend, dreaming. What it is that you need? All humans talk and do anything for self fulfilling purpose. If you skip that part, I will ignore you ... just because cant reach you to punch in the face. I have no obligation to answer you at all and no one does But if they will do answer, that is how we get deceived by clowns that ruling us.

I need sincerity from you that 100% protects as all from deception. Take it as requirement to speak Tell what it is that you feel right now and what need wake those feelings of yours? Good lock to fake sincereness, because we all have same feelings and needs . No blah blah with out empathic connection(!) I am tiered to talk with walking zombies, that live in imaginary word that exist only in their heads.
Dude, you are fucking delusional have no respect to people, read conversation above. I love sincereness more then anything else and would like to nourish it and protect at any cost. We all need sincereness and compassion in the first hand, before anything else. Thats the way out of this madness. I am strongly convinced, that humanity vanish, if we continue to sin = miss the sign = miss reality that we all can observe. We need to serve life in order to survive, keep track of the truth which is life it self at the present moment as we all can sense. Keep real dude ore die. that is a point of my all preaching. The experience of survival is the key to the gravity of love, compassion and care and maybe, people will survive in small groups by do what serves their NEEDS in order to live.

Where is your compassion ore honesty about your needs, feelings, where you have bin, what did you sow, what is situation where you live? We can help each other, empower with practical advise, lift up one heart at the time, we can make phone calls to the bureaucrat, that make your life less then wonderful. We have people here, that watching juridical shit in years. We can be support group and thinking tank for each other. We can practice and learn how to cooperate and care for each other as a group with the hive mind. We just need opportunity to do that , because we sit and waisting our time any way, because we are separated and lonely.

And we fear sincereness, it is very frightened to open up and at the same time honesty and sincereness are our way to freedom, to dream life that we want.
I bet you, most of us would pay effort, to find, to help, to read with realization how our effort would serve life, make one of us happy, fulfill one of our need, solve some ones problem. Du you feel me?

To answer your question will satisfy your ego to be right and nothing will change.

I remember ones I bought on line some shit, that I was not happy with and company have no attention to my complain and then I was talking with anonymous hacker team guys just sincere chat among friends. I don't know what they did, but I get e-mail from company with confirmation that money was send to my account and explanation, that I will receive it in a two bank working days and I get it back and it was very sweet and helpful. You know why? because I was sincere and honest and when we are sincere things happens some times. We can help each other in a many ways, but first we need sincereness, that is necessity in order to make our friendship work and serve us, give us practical fruits of cooperation.

As long our attention are focused away from area where we can do something about, we like parallelized looking at the screens waisting our time until time kills us.
Wednesday 31 May 2017, 20:09:34
[deleted user]
@Lorraine H

Women sometimes can make men strong with her “weakness” ore open vulnerability. I know I do too get lost sometimes in my head, from my own preaching , from empathy and compassion ore just because my own needs bother me stronger at the moment for something else.

I wish I could be more sensitive and pay attention to what is going on on this forum and be less occupied with my own agenda at some times.

I feel worm feeling in the heart by reading how other people meet you … Dam! my Ego wish that is fruits of my teachings. Please lie to me, if it is not truth ;O)

Wednesday 31 May 2017, 20:21:38
Nic G
I want to know the truth about things, but the shape of the earth being flat makes no sense to me, nor I can see what bad could come from believing one or another (unless you fly a plane). I'm glad you believe in love, Love is really more important than all the shapes earth can have.
Wednesday 31 May 2017, 22:05:35
[deleted user]
You don't need to believe in love, we all can sense it and when you are in love by your self you know it. Believe is necessity for lie to breed, not for truth. Shape of earth does not effects me at all , but I look at both sides of blah blah and I would put my bet on flat , but really I don't know and don't care it just feel sympathy to the team against establishment ;O) I was fly from London to New York seams like flat to me, that bit. and from Chicago to Roissy-Charles de Gaulle flat too.

Tell me example in life when believe is technical necessity?
Wednesday 31 May 2017, 22:22:08
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@ Nic G Flat earth does not make God real. God is a fiction, if you want to find real God you have to destroy fiction. Professional God lovers told me that God is purest form of love ore God = Love. I can feel love and give my love to other people, love does not require to believe, God does . The truth does not require to believe, lie does. Lie is pointless with out believers so as believers with out lie. But as atheist as soon I hear word 'science' I believe everything I have bin told. ;O) What a mind trickery isn't? 1% of us are psychopath, they can't sense love ore God they can only bland in among believers, because they can't give love.
Thursday 1 June 2017, 10:17:21
Nic G
It seems to me that light is instantaneous and that it takes no time at all to travel; it seems to me that a knife with blood in the hand of a person next to a dead one tells me he is the killer; it also seems to me, an imperfect and very small being, that the Earth is flat. What seems to me is not necessarilly the truth. You need to believe your choices are right to give a meaning to your life, someone can approve or disapprove, but no one knows for sure, you just have to believe.
Thursday 1 June 2017, 10:26:25
Nic G
Why are you talking about God? If I belive in him or not doesn't mean I think the Earth is flat, round or pear shaped... I also think it would be an enormous hoax with little gains.
Thursday 1 June 2017, 10:34:41
Nic G
It seems to me that light is instantaneous and that it takes no time at all to travel; it seems to me that a knife with blood in the hand of a person next to a dead one tells me he is the killer; it also seems to me, an imperfect and very small being, that the Earth is flat. What seems to me is not necessarilly the truth. You need to believe your choices are right to give a meaning to your life, someone can approve or disapprove, but no one knows for sure, you just have to believe.
Thursday 1 June 2017, 10:35:07
[deleted user]
No I don't have to believe, because that requirement of believe is always about imaginary real question who is right? I know that right and wrong does not exist. It just a judgments that screw peoples life. But I can tell what is life in me at the moment, that is observable and I can start think how to make life more wonderful.

You don't need to believe about speed of light just tell honestly: I don't know because I don't use that knowledge in my life, there is people who claim that they do know, so ask them how if you need measure it.

I sow body and knife in the mans hand and that is all what I know. But I fantasies about killer that I sow on TV many times and that situation triggered in me fear.

I hear other people claim about earth shape which I don't know nothing about I can see only limited place around me that limit is horizon and with camera I can see more far away, but not curvature it self that is rationalization.

I sow a being at the certain size. We can talk about where it fit ore not and how it affects my need to accomplish something.

I choose to do things that serves peoples needs in harmony with my own, when I succeed we celebrate life together and when I fail then I review my strategy and try again. I can only do my best educated guess using experience from the past what would work for sure I know only by try, it would be very boring if I always knew. Life to me has no meaning at all, it is observe able process of constantly fulfilling needs in order to live. Everything a life has it needs to fulfill.

Ok so long I still have no need to believe in any thing at all. Would you please take a time to think and give me one example where believe is needed? Obviously we need believers when we lie , but I would like to challenge you find necessity to believe when we don't lie.

To save the time, my point is that language of life ore sincereness ore academically speaking same thing called NVC nonviolent communication, is a way to protect ourself from deception. Prevent bureaucrats from saying things that do not fit with observe able reality and prevent harm. and if we keep to be honest among ourself no one could just jump in and deceive us.
I talk about God because that fiction requirer to believe so as shape of the earth a specially round one. But among us there is no need to believe and if we keep that way then we protect our self from deception. I experienced social movements that was destroyer by deception and that happen only, because believe was acceptable and lie sneaked in. There for I argue that there is no need to believe at all technically speaking, because I want us to succeed and flourish and find place for myself to participate. If there is areas technically advanced those should be transparent and check able any way.

No one has found one example to demonstrate absolute necessity to believe , well of cause before I met you, so if you want to try please do so, but examine it first by yourself you not stupid. I really would like to see necessity to believe.


Ubuntu party ideas can be installed safely if we apply NVC because it works like social anti-virus. I also encourage people to not talk about shape of the earth because new ideas find place among people packaged in a way that don't contradict their common believes and have practical benefits. That is science about how ideas move to the crowd. I would like to install Ubuntu first. Flat earth would slow us down.



Thursday 1 June 2017, 12:26:08
Nic G
Thanks Sylvester, I really liked your point of view. If we were unable to lie, there would be no need to believe in each other; Yet, I don't see how that view applies to scientific theories - a scientist that comes up with one gives it as a possible mechanism, and if you can't prove it materially you can't say it's the truth, so you can believe in it, don't believe in it or simply don't care and say you don't need it - or religion - A religious person will say that God is as certain as death, and he feels Him in things other people can't: is he lying? is he deceived by his senses? or is God a reality we can't mesure? You can also simply don't care about it either.
I think most of people want to know because it's inside our beings this need to know how things are, and with that there will always be clashes of different ideas taken by them as "true" and, to my point of view, don't constitute a "lie".
Friday 2 June 2017, 16:01:54
[deleted user]

Nic G I like that you like my point of view and I try to convince you to apply that point, because as I see, it enrich our life and empowers what we do and removes us from situation of submission ore revolt, removes us from violence.

Everything we do is in service of our needs. When this one concept is applied to our view of others, we'll see that we have no real enemies. That what others do to us is the best possible think they know to do to get their needs met.

So if one person come to me with strongly overwhelmed feelings about God willing to share that with me, I understand that it is not a feeling caused by need ore environment, it is emotion caused by cognitive conclusion in ones mind. Emotion caused by believe is real. If you promise to a kid chocolate and describe how it taste, to wake his memories when he has eaten it last time and create acceptations ... but you don't give him that Kid will be very disappointed probably will cry that example shows that we can manipulate people by telling them stories performing some rituals and that is how Church keeps people around because most emotionally overwhelming moments in ones life happens in church with professional God lovers blessings weddings funerals several time a year celebrations and if you are a "good" Christin you go to church every Sunday. If I will give you a stone which fits quite well in your head and ask you to have this stone in your hand every time, when you are away from your base emotional line happy ore sad, after while that stone became to you sacred and probably would be one of those things that you would like to rescue from the burning house or moving to live in different pales and probably you will get emotionally overwhelmed by touching that stone that you have squeezed and pet and hold in your hand so many times in your life .
So I would give a hug to emotionally overwhelmed religious person confirm his excitement and willingness to share that is beautiful... It actually happens to me when I talk with a refugees Muslim guys, they repeatedly ask me about my religion and I tel them same: that devotion you feel to Allah I feel to you me to other people to all of us. yes your religion seams to me exotic and unusual but I know for sure that there is noting that you can experience that I couldn't experience too and we all just want to live and be happy. Our hearts beats for the same reason and we all know what love is with ore with out God. and I tell then that Allah is purest form of love everybody likes it and I explain that you need to keep your eyes open every time when it is not about love, but about to kill, to make revenge ore hate, reject any one... it is not Allah it just people project their own pain from their own unfulfilled needs expectations. So I make it through with out believing ore offending believers. I noticed that religious refugees like to listen about how I am not believe in God. One of them told me It is Islam you just don't know that ;O)

Science it self do not requiters to believe at all every study has to be confirmed by independent group that do according your precept and get exactly same result. peer review everything has to be confirmed by group of people before you publish some paper... So it is not purest form of the truth that we all can observe in a present moment like rain and there is no need even talk about it. It is secondary truth represented on paper with all security measures and confirmations, but if you know all procedure how it was done it is not real believe isn't? If we would bet our money about who is "right" and You finger out that I was read research paper before bet, you would be screaming: oh that was not fair believe, you wasn't really guessing!

And when we talk about scientific theories... A theory is a group of linked ideas intended to explain something. A theory provides a framework for explaining observations. The explanations are based on assumptions. We assume ore guess when we do not know (that would be fair conditions to bet money on who is right, cheating is when you know for sure , but you pretend that you guess, assume ore believe, just to take guys money) So if you relay meant scientific theory(?) it does not requirer to believe at all it require awareness that it is theory with full understanding what theory is.

These days many research has no independent second confirming experiment ore approval, because it is fun to discover something, not approve other peoples discoveries. And media, basically everything what man with a white robe says, represent as uncountable "truth" + they twist information in order to sell it better. When I was in medical skull professor told us story about sleep lab when they discover that people who have lack of sleep gain weight, so journalist twisted into loosing weight by sleeping, because that sells more newspaper and people read it there is a information from Swedish medical institute has to be "truth". That is how Atheism, become new religion and today in US there is a bunch of pharmaceutical drugs that have money motivated "research" with out secondary study confirmation and even confirmation that it does harm, for money sake silenced in a lucrative way... When I hear word 'Science' in my imagination I see big church with sight "welcome to Atheism" new religion.

In summary I do not need to believe either if it is God ore science, in opposite, 'believe' seams to me cause a lots of problems.

Government do not trust people at all, you have to show a paper to institution confirmed by other institution in order to get anything. So if we would like to make work anything (Ubuntu community in my mind) we need eradicate 'belie' and when there is no way to see same thing at the same time we use paper as confirmation.

And what would rely improve our life, if we stop trust , relay, believe and hope about any Governmental institution in reverse.
that what people start to do with police and "justice" system start to demand evidence of legacy of ones actions. Burden of prove of harm done are on prosecution side, Before proven guilty anyone should be hold innocent and to invitation to procedures have right to say No thank you, We are obligated do something only if we made mutual agreement confirmed by signature on both sides and lawyer. No one is obligated spend ones time for free. We believe that institutional clerk has power over us instead of demand prove of its legacy and we get stuck in those conflicts, because they are about imaginary real who is right? but if we look at situation how to make life more wonderful. If we see clerks need to cover his ass from his boss, I predict it will be more likely, that clerk will consider our needs too and see what he/she can do.


Saturday 3 June 2017, 08:49:07
[deleted user]
This thread has 83 comments wow. I have found this most interesting the the fact the thread as grown and not deteriorated as most do thanks to all that have contributed. I wonder what everyone's conclusion on this thread is, for me it's we don't really need "someone or something to show you the way" (Pink Floyd). However I do feel without believe are we not just drifting and unlearned?
Saturday 3 June 2017, 09:57:42
[deleted user]
lol drifting and unlearned.... on a flat plane, without wayshowers, Ilanrog? Just kidding. It seems that this thread has a life of its own in a way,
but of course we're creating it together. To me, the flat earth theory doesn't hold value or truth, but there's something intriguing in the way
this theory has found footing in people. When I listen to my gut feeling, the flat earth theory is a deliberate design of delusion, to add to the
confusion we're already thrown in much, losing our familiar sight on our present reality. To me, we're not drifting on a flat plane, unlearned.
We may have to unlearn certain beliefs, yes I can imagine that very well
Saturday 3 June 2017, 10:19:22
Didgevillage
I tried to stay away from this subject but the fact that some people discuss this crap in earnest goes to show how deep the psyop goes.
Saturday 3 June 2017, 10:23:23
[deleted user]
Oh, now I''ll have a go at it, Didgevillage Please don't forget our human history, living on planet Earth, with a Greek philosopher and later Galileo Galilei,
declaring that the Earth was round. He was sentenced for life in the dungeons. That statement of his was crap to many at that time. To me, there's nothing
new (nor flat) under the sun. I've noticed that all arguments for a round Earth can be opposed by the same amount for a flat Earth. But really, as long as
someone is happy living on a flat Earth or round Earth, it's all fine to me. To me, solid proof of a round Earth is given when I travel around the globe and
return to my home when the circle is complete
Saturday 3 June 2017, 10:48:24
[deleted user]
This thread can live as long as everyones needs, interest are respected and considerate, that's why everyone will be interested to read and participate, but as soon we flattening ore rounding, bottom line it... position, creates opposition. No one of us have means to make experiment that could be repeatable by everyone, you can go round ore in circle,.. How to know which is it? I could observe myself go in air plain and out of it... you can tel me what ever you want, I sow just some clouds in between my naps... so I relay what stewardess tel me and her credibility I measure by size of her boobs. =Oo those look very round to me. did you say we just fly over Antarctica? I have no means to check it out, there for I do not know, that is truth. I guess no one of us know, but we have beliefs, do we? I talk beyond what I can prove and there for suspect that we all do ...unconsciously of cause other ways it would be lying. how about you guys , have you ever catch yourself talking from position of completely certain about something, but when you review, it just believe?

I would like to make social experiment and open up to each other more sincerely, then we do, that could help us see each others life in grater amount of details and increase possibility to cooperate some how ore help each other out.
Saturday 3 June 2017, 13:32:52
[deleted user]
To be honest I'd forgot the thread was started on the flat earth thing I just found the direction it took fascinating. It's to me only a Psy-op if you let it corrupt and make you take a defensive position. Just to be awkward if you travel east on a flat plane with the north pole in the middle you will come back on yourself as east is relative to north by 90 degrees.
Sunday 4 June 2017, 00:04:52
[deleted user]
Yeah I for got it too. There is a lots of information out there and we are all familiar with lies and deception for many reasons.
The problem is, that if you use compass and go east you theoretically come to same point regardless round ore flat because you follow compass that leads you in circle either way and as long as I know there is no plains that do that usually the fly over land.
there is very small amount of people that competent on subject and they keep us in prison of saying what ever they want.

Who knows? Maybe it is a play on purpose to capture peoples attention. I don't buy round earth explanations at all, because they point to emotions: authority, how dear you, smart enough to question, but stupid to understand ... Neil de Grasse Tyson Instead of reaching peoples understanding with knowledge, he take his shirt off , drooping microphone, ridicule people... and talk not to the mentioned point, slightly changing circumstances to making his statement look right, but not answering question and no one will debate on public those who claim flat. All that contributes to believe about flat earth, but it is still believe. I heard claims that mobile phones use satellite signals, but there is zones out of radio coverage and what for those masts for mobile phones on the ground? What would really help to see the truth is to hear honesty why people talk. They disagree about strategies who is right? but I can't see connection what strategy serves what human needs? Money is a strategy too, imaginary tool and obviously attention gives money not the truth. All what I can do is sniffing for the best guess and keep my mouth shut in order to not loose social acceptance. My heart is on the flat earth team , but my money on the round one they are violent top dog who print the money, the truth is, that is totally irrelevant to my life and I am not surprised about people lying.
People lie in small organizations, locally in the village where I live , they lie in all institutions to get advantage for them self, Government exist on pure lie, because they have no life serving function.( Imaginary not observe able) Ubuntu party ideas are impossible to implement, because of competition, lie, taking advantage. what ever you try to create there is always people who don't give a shit they just look for opportunity to steel, cheat, get more for them self in expense of everybody else . There is a reason why people don't know their neighbors, because they don't see opportunity in that relation ship.

So what we going to do? Even if we like each other and establish gradually kind of friendship on line, we still hold by money - Devils mark. When some one mention native American people, I immediately associate that with dancing, singing, chanting, holding ritual that keeps people on the same moral spiritual path. But we west word people, do those rituals to: watching cruelty, death, fight, cheat, lie, kill on TV screens every day + getting sole killing booze and love killing porn and in particularly competition altering greed, antique gadgets with discovering prise , wining money , reword, punishment, obedience...

So what we really realistically can do? Debunk round earth, discover flat one and be alienated by local people as nuts?
Even if earth is flat it is not big deal any way, because lie is so accepted among people where I live. I remember one lady try to give me advice, she mentioned that I am very straight that makes people afraid of you , because usually no one talks directly to the point, but telling stories around to slightly influence others decisions... and I ask are you afraid of honesty, because that way lie become too obvious?

Its like guys playing cards and one whisper to his friend: I sow him cheating, drooping card under table... and his friend say shush... don't forget that next is out turn to play while reaching card from arm sleeve..

That is situation in corrupt from top to the bottom Sweden. Everyone is wheeling and dealing keeping silence and friendly smiling.

We can be sincere with each other that heps us to protect ourself from deception. and what ever we came up with it ensure that is real not some ones agenda for profit.

Sunday 4 June 2017, 06:14:59
Sunday 4 June 2017, 06:30:20
Swift Winds
I know the Earth is flat.
On this post, some think flat, others think globe... I'm impressed with the overall togetherness everyone displayed. Well done y'all!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/w…;

At 6 miles distance, there should be 24 feet of curvature to account for. At 10 miles of distance, there should be 66 feet of curvature to account for... I see objects further than 10 miles that are shorter than 66 feet. This is impossible on a globe with a radius of 3959 miles, according to Pythagoras.
Sunday 23 July 2017, 17:58:56
[deleted user]
To me it is all just so fascinating. I am not one for the psy-op theory other than maybe everything is a psy-op . What I do know is if anyone had the perfect plan it would be put down flat earth included. Remember Jesus.
Sunday 23 July 2017, 18:54:56
Didgevillage
It is not time to waste time on the shape of the earth. There are more urgent issues we have to face. Flat earth is a psy-op. Period.
Sunday 23 July 2017, 19:52:10
westwynd
Exactly Didgevillage . It's meant as a distraction like many other things , it's meant to distract us from what is really going on in the world .
Sunday 23 July 2017, 19:59:05
Swift Winds
What is really going?
Sunday 23 July 2017, 22:04:18
[deleted user]
we should be able to talk about anything we want with out taboo objects. what it is that we exactly do, any way? Saving time for what exactly? Demanding transparency and truthfulness, thats better then nothing. Earth is flat as long as I can observe through my entire life. and I refuse to imagine globe ore accept that imagination as a truth, we hear it from the institutions that lie to us.

I just refuse to believe in other peoples brain fart, I have got my own. 'psy-op' there is no need to believe in that either... how do you know? you don't I would like to everyone feel free to discuss what ever they like and if you don't then do not partisanship. Flat earth makes good argument to saving kids from schools, to doubt and questioning, gov, all institutions I like that.
Sunday 23 July 2017, 22:04:24
Swift Winds
You rock Sylvester. Thank you for supporting me to submit information.
Sunday 23 July 2017, 22:07:58
[deleted user]
I just hate this term psy-op so all the work I am doing is meaning less to some because I will discuss taboo subjects. If you was to press me I'd say everything is controlled. I am responding to a post someone got me to do that you pressed my button.
Sunday 23 July 2017, 22:09:42
[deleted user]
I agree SW
Sunday 23 July 2017, 22:12:27
[deleted user]
freedom of speech is necessity, just don't get serious till madness about it and we are fine
Sunday 23 July 2017, 22:15:14
[deleted user]
Were is the love Sylvester this site seems to haemorrhage it.
Sunday 23 July 2017, 22:18:47
Swift Winds
Don't take life so seriously, no one gets out alive. - Ralph Smart

Thank you llanrog. Do you agree with the math I presented?
Sunday 23 July 2017, 22:19:19
[deleted user]
I have seen the Math and yes it is correct. But it could be argued the Earth is not perfect in shape so in certain instances we may see these anomalies. People have filmed torches 8 miles away torches that are 75mm in diameter can we be sure we are seeing the source of the light or just the point it comes into view.
Sunday 23 July 2017, 22:32:07
[deleted user]
http://dizzib.github.io/earth/… this and some zooming devise will show the lie
Sunday 23 July 2017, 22:39:52
[deleted user]
Shine a laser across a hot stove and it will be compromised I have seen it . Water also distorts light. We cannot say light only travels in straight lines. Look at a shimmering road it virtually disappears in front of you.
Sunday 23 July 2017, 22:49:24
[deleted user]
so you mean watter bends light and that explains how we can see behind curvature ?
Monday 24 July 2017, 13:08:07
[deleted user]
I assume, that reason why we can see behind curvature, is because there is no curvature. It is imaginary concept that is not confirmed by observe able reality .
Monday 24 July 2017, 13:10:01
[deleted user]
Oh my, this discussion will never come to a satisfactory end, I'm afraid. What I suggest is, join for a gathering and climb in a balloon, like Jules Verne.
Take food and drink with you and start off where you will end the journey. Than come back here and share your experience. Good luck and safe journey!
Monday 24 July 2017, 14:47:49
[deleted user]
Sailing boat would do seams like more safe then balloon. Well if you get ambition to be right on the end, then you will be not satisfied at all , because right and wrong are imaginary, not real. But if we put a side any ambition ore agenda simply by sharing what we have got in our heads we pick up from each other what do we like, what it is useful, is enriching, it is always some one knows something that others don't.
Lets face a challenge and prove it for our selfs that we actually can talk about anything without getting divided and fight.
Imagine situation if we find ourself in situation that in order to survive as community need to cooperate.

Globe are imaginary because no one can observe it. Its like 6 years old girl drawing something on the paper and baby sitter ask: -what do you drawing? Girl: - Jesus The Lord. Baby sitter : - but honey no one sow the Jesus. Girl: -in a minute they will

For a long period of time we manage travel and navigation used Astrolabe 220 BC it was just fine . For some reason we was forced to believe in imaginary globe. -But now one sow the globe? NASA making CGI pictures and make everyone believe.

I have noticed that there is no evidence of space existence and word 'gravity' was in vented to justify imaginary space, we knew things fall down and weigh them to measure, but it never ever appear need for the word 'gravity' it has only one purpose to make us accept imaginary globe.

This is how I deal with stuff, I separate imaginary from observe able. If you can't sense something it is nonsense. Some imaginary things quite handy like time , mathematics , chemistry or Gods guidelines how to live. I know it is fiction and useful by my own experience. I just totally refuse to believe in anything. When people believe in God they make professional God lovers lucrative . When people believe in time they buy that time travel story possible we just didn't finger out how to do it yet. and When people believe in history (his story) then it will be justified presence absurdity and so on ... the truth does not require to believe at all , lie does. if no one would ever lie , believe would be totally pointless. By rejecting believe I protect myself from the lie.

If you go to the bank, ask for money and promise on your mothers grave to pay back on time , no one will give a shit . Same attitude people should have towards Government, NASA, schools. If imaginary globe would be based on observe able evidence (fake pictures does not count it just illustration of ones imagination) then will be no debates at all. Free mason Neil deGrasse Tyson fail to explain imagination of the globe he just ridicule people who refuse to believe. That is where I am on this 'Flat Earth' phenomenon and I really wonder for sincerity how you deal with tis discovery?


Monday 24 July 2017, 16:20:35
Monday 24 July 2017, 16:29:46
[deleted user]
Hi guys definitely no end to this discussion bit like a globe or a flat Plane. Pastinakal a french man jumped into a balloon in 1938 they all thought him mad he was thought lost then after a couple of days he turned up in his balloon. All were relieved to see him. He was asked what he saw and he described everything to them and at the end he said the earth looked flat everyone laughed..He wasn't interested in flat earth it was merely an observation .Thr point is they laughed at the man who actually went there.
sylvester it is interesting I must say. Have you see the earth view project were a balloon is to be launched into low earth orbit, no kidding. You can buy a ticket they are $750,000 10% non-refundable deposit. They are so desperate. I like an infinite ice shelf and we are just a puddle.
Monday 24 July 2017, 17:30:13
[deleted user]
I am not interested to fly on balloons ore spend money on a question: "who is right?" - I found it incredibly stupid, because in my understanding right and wrong does not exist at all . There is more then enough rockets and balloons send up with cameras on, you can see them on YouTube for free. The point is that we need to demand transparency with out rely on authorities, with out trust on experts, with out believe what official popular people say. If it is truth, then it does not require to believe at all.

And most impotent I do not act ore react on the gossip. I need person to be sincere in order to listen and I need to see how what ever it is serves life in order to pay attention.

Lets establish this first, what ever we can't observe is imaginary . I s that fair enough to everyone?

llanrog imagine journalist come to you with the microphone and camera: Is earth globe ore flat, what is your take on it and why? would you tell your own experience that you lived for sure? I really don't care what others some where... they are experts about them selfs, so as we are .


Monday 24 July 2017, 17:53:42
[deleted user]
"This flat map of the round earth" I almost died laughing - brilliant.
Monday 24 July 2017, 18:13:21
[deleted user]
Sylvester if someone asked me I would say it looks flat. To my senses it is flat. But that doesn't mean it is flat.
Monday 24 July 2017, 18:17:17
[deleted user]
I like it, as long we claim what we all can observe we are fine. I rather admit that I don't know, reject imagination that people try to make me to believe in with out evidence. I need clarity why? what do they need? what do they trying to achieve? Annual budget to the Mars journey? We didn't learn how to take care of each other yet I would spend $18.4 billion on non violent communication in schools on TV in Hollywood all mass media. and person that apply to a job which includes contact with other people would be mandatory pass NVC examen. All Criminal "justice" institutions will be changed in to Restorative Justice. Governing would be fully transparent on open source. and I would fight with poverty in order to reduce crime.

It looks flat. To my senses it is flat. But only where I have bin area around me that I could observe.
Monday 24 July 2017, 18:56:06
Monday 24 July 2017, 19:01:27
[deleted user]
You've nailed it, Sylvester, saying this "Lets establish this first, what ever we can't observe is imaginary . I s that fair enough to everyone?"
Nobody has ever seen the Earth as a flat disc, period. I'm merely reading this discussion every so often for the laugh I get from it. I honestly
look at that video you posted Monday 24 July 2017, 16:29:46 thinking that it's similar to the Monty Python antics, a satiric presentation.
That guy looks like a stand up comedian, isn't it? There must be something flat-earthers gain from this belief, who knows it's caused
by our present shift of realities? Nothing seems to be the same anymore, upside down and inside out. Lo and behold.. from flat earth living
we moved to round earth living and now we return to the old paradigm? Regarding the subject of illusion, Sylvester. That's true when the
mental capacities play their part. For the physical body there's no such thing as illusionary experience, for it's matter, form. Tangible.
Both are separated concepts and shouldn't be merged, for we would lose the ground beneath our feet
Monday 24 July 2017, 21:12:19
[deleted user]
It was supposed to be a satirical presentation. Nothing is the same anymore the internet is having its effect.
Monday 24 July 2017, 21:21:38
[deleted user]
I don't complain about Internet it is a tool, I guess it is us that we are not sincere with each other, like in real life... Internet connects us technically Human connection we have to do by ourself. Didn't you notice how disconnected we are? I want to see kids playing together and adults hanging out with out no particular purpose. What happen with us as I see, we get ourself organized in social gangs that competing against each other try to exploit each other in teams. every business, every corporation, is hierarchical gang of people against everybody else. Some gang call them selfs street gangs, other call them self Government. Military thats a cruel dangerous one, all gangs who use a guns as a meaningful communication are very dangerous. Doctors became drug dealers with advertisement on TV and have got cops as a hit men team. to take concurrence from streets away, to protect their business. they have got monopoly , street gangs control just a few corners. Free masons are a gang too the don't deal drugs, they sell imaginary reality to us $18.4 billion every year for shit that I can find any evidence that is real. Space is like a Santa you have to believe in it, in order to make it real. It is a battle on you tube and there is very low quality stupid Flat earth videos and quite normal ones and pro globe believers, they both debunking each others lowest quality videos and I suspect that they create those weak opponents by them selfs in order to demonstrative debunk them. you never know.
and when I pay attention I sow weak arguments on both sides. who will finally win? I bet on flat earth But how long they exist? It just part of people did not excepted globe imagination for the lack of evidence. If would be any evidence known that would show up among 5,300,000 videos on You-Tube So it is not just me 5 million people did not discover evidence of imaginary globe ore space it self , ( it is growing) that how I have got no evidence. and free mason Neil deGrasse Tyson giving for lying people more space for deceptive stories , by saying , it is not real exactly ball, but a bit like a pear.... that would explain lack of curvature in places and allow to discard http://dizzib.github.io/earth/… lack of curvature. It just left to finger out how they move them self in nothingness ore vacuum that they claim is in deep space. and those costumes that protects from radiation in space are not good enough to use in Chernobyl ore Fukushima ... it is like kids lying about "done home work" just to get ice cream worth $18.4 billion annually.

I don't care if it is humor ore irony I just listen what actually was said, lathing you ore cry it just you don't control your own emotions. I care about what's the message? People expressing their own believes on their videos, but I look in to what they actually claim and how to verify it?
Separate imaginary from observe able and imaginary hast to have life serving purpose, because everything else is harmful.




Tuesday 25 July 2017, 00:00:56
[deleted user]
It gets better and better.... there's a postive side to never endng discussions, at times.
Ladies and gentlemen... I say it only once: planet Earth is a pear. Sylvester says so.
That dissolves all disputes and bickering. Now we have 3 possibilties to ponder
May I throw a starfruit in as a suggestion? I'm sure someone pops up with a banana,
a strawberry, a fig, never round fruit, no no no.... that's out of the question
Tuesday 25 July 2017, 01:00:01
[deleted user]
Does any one have more fruits to suggest ? we already go bananas and you can't debunk anything because turns out earth change its form https://youtube.com/watch/…
Tuesday 25 July 2017, 09:07:12
[deleted user]
I never knock people's ideas and concepts that's why I here. I have been involved in flat earth since March 2015. Everyone knows me as the man who can convince you the earth is flat. I know I command respect with my peers I. Just not hung up on it. People have told me I changed the way the look at things. For that Iam happy
Tuesday 25 July 2017, 09:45:30
[deleted user]
Oh yes, Ilanrog, I totally agree with you, though I'm not coming from a flat earth view. Changing people's way of looking at things, did that include seeing a flat earth too? I'm now acting like a jester and that's my way of dealing with this subject and discussion. I'm amused by seeing how many fruits are on the tree of knowledge
Tuesday 25 July 2017, 12:59:52
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